Turnover (room assignement)

A Partial Turnover (TP) is a room assignment if some rooms (thurnes) are available and if people ask to get them.

There is generally one at the end of each month. Students who get a thurne at a TP must grab the key at the beginning of the following month.

It really depends on the rooms availability. Generally, few rooms are available on Ulm before the spring. It is possible to get a thurne on Jourdan or Montrouge as soon as in November, but it really varies with years.

It then depends on how many years* you have already been housed and the number of jokers you play (see article 15 in thurnage rule). The more joker you play and the less you were lodged, the more likely you have to have good thurne.

*Is counted as "lodged" anyone who got a thurne for September/October/November, which means people getting a thurne a General Turnover or TP in August, September and October. Note that first year never counts as a lodged year.

Partial Turnovers happen at time, date and place described in the announcement email and in the "News" section of the DG website.

People in the room choose words, allowing DG to create key, to randomly sort people, following their section (joker - lodged years).

Then, following their rank, participants choose a thurne from among those available, or decide not to change thurne. When a thurne is vacated, either it is immediately taken over by someone who has already been called (because they have a better ranking), or it is added to the list of available rooms.

No, DG can represent you. In this case, you MUST indicate your choices/wishes precisely, through degette or alternatively per email.

At the beginning of the next month.

If you change your room at the TP, you have to return the keys of your previous thurne the same day you get the new ones (otherwise you will pay for 2 rooms as far as you have 2 keys).

It very very easier for everyone to change room the first day of the month, or the 2nd if the 1st is a Sunday, or the 30th/31st if the 1st is a Saturday. It avoids the Pôle Hébergement to make 2 pay sheets for the same person the same month.

Changes of keys must be made through the Accommodation Unit. You cannot give your key directly to your successor.

Do not forget to contact your insurance company after the TP to inform them of the change of room.

By default, degette offers you to play 0 joker when you register. If you have played jokers at the TG, you can indicate the same number of jokers when you register for the TP: they are the same, they are valid for the whole current year, and they will not be additionnally counted.

However, if you want to add one or more jokers for a TP to those you played at the TG, it is perfectly possible. If you get a room, they will be deducted and will be valid for the rest of the current school year (excluding next TG).

For example, if you have played 1 joker at the TG and you do not want to play any more at the TP, indicate "1". If you can and want to play one more, indicate "2": in this case, only 1 extra joker will be debited to you at the end of the TP (provided of course that you get a room).

General Turnover (TG) is the room assignement in June for the next year. Can participate any ENS/International Selection students still in scolarity the next year.

Some emails will be sent before the TG to give instructions. You should read them.

As there are not enough room for everyone, that rooms are not identical, that students do not all want the same ones, the Tunrover system was put into place to enable a fair room assignment.

The general principle is to sort people by category (order of the category are described in article 15 of the Turnage appendix),  randomly  sort them inside each category, and then ask them following their rank which thurne they want. It is then necessary to be there at the TG, or to efficiently declare your choice to the DG.

TG process is described in articles 22 to 26 of the same appendix.

To enable students to have a better room in the year when they need it most, there is a system of jokers: each student has a certain number of jokers, to be used during his or her school years.

Following the 2017 reform, it was decided that the ranking would be by decreasing number of jokers and then, among those who played the same number of jokers, by increasing number of years of accommodation. 

If you did not get a thurne at the TG, but you are relatively well ranked, you can be recalled during the month of July. In practice, this is highly likely if you are in the top 20 not having obtained a room. Read your emails regularly!

The more jokers you play, the more you move up in the rankings, and the more you increase your chances of getting the room of your dreams; the more you've been housed out of your first year, the less likely you are to be housed again.

Attention, to be housed at the TG, in practice, you must play at least one joker. If you have already been housed one year out of your first year, it is advisable to play at least two of them (unless you are an SI or CROUS scholarship holder, in which case one joker is enough). You can look at the results of the previous TGs to get an idea, bearing in mind that this is not an exact science.

Generally speaking, if you don't have a room at the end of the TG, or if you resign to your room before the end of July, you will have your jokers back.

The DG does not make predictions, first because we can't make them and second because we don't want to. We can't because estimating the TG's ranking to the nearest person is impossible in advance (we're tall, handsome and strong, but we don't see the future!) and we don't want to because we don't want to assure someone that they will have a room or that they will have the room of their dreams when we're not sure and we won't be able to be sure before the TG.

On the other hand, you can go and see the TG results of previous years to get an idea : they are available on degette.

Caution : since the referendum 2021, the students who are "étudiants" and "normaliens de la sélection internationale (SI)" have 3 jokers : this inflation could have an impact on the TG 21 and on the following TG with regards to the TG before (especially, more jokers may be needed to obtain a room).

Ok, it's not a question, but it's just to make it clear, because a lot of people ask us by email.

Anyone with a clipper, i.e. the normaliens and the mastériens of a master operated by the ENS, can have access to it and fill in their identity. For all the persons who are housed or who wish to benefit from a service of the DG (locker, parking, etc.), it is good to fill in their identity form, thurnable or not. This allows us to contact you in case of problems, such as, at random, in case of a sudden emptying of the boarding schools :-)

All persons represented by the DG, i.e. persons as defined in Article 3 of our IR. These are normaliens élèves, normaliens étudiants and normaliens of the international selection. In particular, mastériens and doctoral students do not have to do so, since they are not integrated into the thurnage system, so their situations are not provided for in degette.

This formality is independent from the participation in the General Thurnage: you have to fill in your situation even if you don't want a thurne! But it is very important (and will take you 5 minutes at the most) since it allows our interface, degette, to follow your schooling and therefore to assign you the jokers corresponding to your status and your situation, as well as to make you thurnable beyond 3 or 4 years of schooling depending on your breaks. Do not neglect it, it will simplify your life (and ours) if you want to have a thurne in some time!

Go to https://www.dg.ens.fr/degetteweb/tg/situation and fill in your situation for next year (next year of schooling, "étalement" or "interruption").

• If you are a first-year student or you have never logged on to degette, please fill in the identity form and your contact details, including your telephone number, so that we can contact you if necessary. Because of the high remaining health risks, we really need to be able to contact you efficiently in case of an emergency.
• If you don't find your situation in the list, it is because you didn't fill out the form correctly in previous years. This is wrong. Send us an email at dg@ens.fr.

Once you have filled in your situation, you will receive an automatic email from the DG entitled "[degetteweb-tg] Formulaire situation de example" (if your name is randomly Edward XAMPLE) indicating that your situation has been filled in correctly.

The "CST" category no longer exists on Degette. You have to specify whether you will be in deferment or interruption of schooling.

You are in CST or césure if, and only if, you have completed an application for CST/césure with the CoST, your department and the direction of studies.

If you have not completed this form, regardless of your situation, you cannot be placed on CST/césure. If you are taking a gap year in your master's degree, for example, you cannot apply for a CST/césure.

Yes, this is entirely possible since the AGM of 18 October 2022 amended article 20 of the Annex for thurnage.

As you wish! Degette does not take into account half-CST/césures. If you do half a CST/césure at one time and another later, you choose the year in which you declare yourself as a CST/césure and the year in which you declare yourself in school.

Whatever you want between CST/césure and schooling, depending on how you want to handle your jokers.

Since 2022, on Degette, the category "CST" has been replaced by the categories "étalement de scolarité" and "interruption de scolarité". These are two quite different systems. With the "étalement", you continue to have schooling obligations at the ENS, not with the "interruption". Be careful not to confuse " étalement de scolarité " with "année exclusivement DENS" (which is a school year on Degette).

Whether you do an étalement or an interruption, you must follow a whole procedure with your department, the CoST and the DEVEC.

Concerning housing, you should know that the interruption of schooling makes you non-thurnable during the year in which it is carried out (contrary to the étalement).

Declaring yourself to be in deferment while you are in interruption is therefore a serious fraud. We will check on this point and will not hesitate to sanction you, in agreement with the DEVEC.

More details on schooling arrangements here.

Only persons represented by the DG can register for the TG, i.e. nomaliens élèves, normaliens étudiants and normaliens of the international selection. Thus, masters and doctoral students cannot register for the TG.

Registrations generally open in late May or early June and close 10 days before the TG. Please note the closing date and time: after this deadline, you will not be able to register.

To register, nothing could be simpler: just log on to degette and fill out the registration form. You will receive an automatic email from the DG entitled "[degetteweb-tg] Inscription au turnage général de example02" (if you are Edward's sister and your name is randomly Emily XAMPLE) indicating that you are registered.

Yes, you just have to indicate it in your registration and fill in your wishes precisely, so that we do not hesitate to choose you a turne. Be careful, if you are represented and your wishes are not exhaustive, you may not get a room. For example, if you put "first Ulm, then Jourdan" and we only have thurns left at Montrouge, we will consider that you are withdrawing from the TG. In general, to make your wishes perfectly clear, please always write "otherwise nothing" on the last line.

Every year, a boarding school charter is sent to the interns at the beginning of the school year to specify the rules of the boarding school. This charter is contractual. You undertake to respect it when you register for the TG. It will be distributed to you again at the beginning of the school year.

This charter is available on the intranet (in French only).

As all rooms in Montrouge are equivalent, there is a informal system of "floor lists" to allow a group of friend to gather and ask for a common level. At the TG, the DG ask if "floor lists" are made, and we then try gather everyone on the list at the same place. However this list is only indicative and the TG still happens following the ranking. Students who are not on any list can be invited  to choose a room in a level not previously chosen, but they are aboslutely free to choose any available room when it is up to them to pick one.

Generally everything happens fine and most people who formed a list are together at the end.

No, you can totally participate in the TG without being in a floor list.

You can participate in the TG with another normalien by forming a pair. To form a pair, each member of the pair must play at least one joker. The pair is only formed if both can have a room in the TG, i.e. the algorithm looks at the number of rooms and the ranking of the two people and only forms the pair if both are ranked higher than the number of rooms available. For example, if there are 300 turnes available, the two have to be individually in the top 300 of the ranking.

The pairs do not take into account the housing years and mutualize the jokers. They are therefore ranked at the top of the joker categories. For example, a pair 3J.P will be classified before the category 3J.0AL.

The way trios work is the same as pairs. Note that unlike pairs, trios are inseparable for a period of one year.

It depends.

• For the studios in the Annex, you can take it alone, and you will pay a 750€ rent.
  
• The apartments in Montrouge work differently: they are divided into two or three in the software of the pôle hébergement and their total rent is de facto divided between the occupants. Only pairs can get F3s, only trios can get F4s.

Some PRM (person with reduced mobility) rooms are available on the Ulm campus. Following the medical issues, if no specific need is requested but only a proximity to the place of study, the Pôle Hébergement and the DG can have you a "normal" room on the designated campus.

You must contact the School's Pôle Santé (info here), which can attest to the need for accommodation in a PMR thurne or close to your place of study, on a specific campus. Do not send us your medical certificate! This is none of our business, an email from the Pôle Santé is more than enough for us.

NB : if you're a first-year coming at ENS, be careful in August of the Pôle Santé holidays! We cannot accept applications due to health problems without the advice of the Pôle Santé.

Not without playing two or even three jokers! The DG does not classify students according to the studies they do, and does not favour students who prepare the agrégation compared to those who are in master or do a CST with a humanitarian association. If you think that your year of preparation for the agrégation is the most important, it's up to you to keep your jokers (and your number of years housed!) for that year. (And not to choose a thurne above the K-Fêt. Yes, you can hear the bass during the parties).

The guarantee of being housed only works if you play at least one joker per year. If you want to play several jokers one year, it is therefore possible that you will not be housed in another year because you will not have any jokers that year. We will therefore ask you to fill in a form declaring that you are aware of this situation.

If you are under 35 years old

Even if you are not a scholarship holder, you can apply for one-off or annual grants. See the following pages: Service public, CROUS.

In all cases

If your situation is critical, do not hesitate to contact the DEVEC (Direction des Études, de la Vie Étudiante et des Carrières) by email at deve@ens.psl.eu, who will also be able to inform you about the additional aid you may be eligible for and who can offer personalised solutions.

If your boyfriend/girlfriend isn't normalien or has no more jokers, it's a no. 

If your partner still has jokers, you can play together at the TG, if and only if you both have played at least one joker and are enough well ranked (i.e. if you would be housed individually). You will move up in the rankings and potentially get a bigger turne.

You can decide at any time to take back your freedom and your jokers. You will then go back to the TP which will decide if one of you can keep the thurne. If one of the two people goes on a training course and leaves the dorms, you also will have to go through a TP. 

Of course, you can decide to put in common jokers to share a room with a friend, even if you are not a couple. However, you MUST actually live together in the room, i.e. use it as your main residence. Otherwise, you will not only both lose your thurne but also all your remaining jokers, and you will be classified in the "Fraudster" category of turnages (i.e. all last).

The detailed list of accomodations that will be open at the TG21 is not yet available; however, there will probably be flat in Montrouge avalaible, you can find their prices ici.

The exthurnes for which conditions apply, those of the Tombe-Issoire and the Daviel residences, are allocated outside the TG, between the publication of the ranking and the TG, according to the wishes expressed by the eligible persons. Even if the allocation is made a few days before the big TG evening, those interested should still register for the TG, and put CROUS at the top of their wish list.

The apartments will be put at the TG normally.

There! 

In 2022, yes, 5 rooms will be available at Tombe-Issoire for the whole year and open to the TG. They will be reserved for SI students, and for scholarship holders if there are not enough SI students.

3 additional rooms were to be available at the Daviel residence (13th arrondissement), under the same conditions, but in September 2022 the CROUS did not respect its commitment.

In 2016, when the normaliens étudiants were intagrated to the thurnage, the problem of housing for the first-year students in Ulm arose. A year of normaliens is about 330 people and there is about 260 rooms in Ulm for the first-year students. So there is a risk that not all the first-year students can be accommodated in Ulm if too many of them ask for a thurne.

The system adopted and used since then consists in providing a few floors of Jourdan, called "quantum floors", and to move at least ten first-year students drawn at random as a group to these floors, if the first-year students are too many to ask for a room to be all accommodated in Ulm.

This technique avoids the poor supernumerary first-year student from being alone in Montrouge or Jourdan since we move the first-year students in a group.

Oh they're fine! They are brand new, after the annual heron visit last spring!

Yes, we are fine! Except when you get lots of questions from people who haven't read the FAQ, which you spend hours updating...

Oh yes! We'll always be happy to receive your nice cards :-)